1<\/sup><\/span><\/a>\u00a0by the Rothschild Illuminati.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When you say Rothschild Illuminati, you\u2019re not talking about just the Rothschild family?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I\u2019m talking about all of the occult people all over the world. This goes back to Nimrod. This is the Egyptian initiation of the child to open the third eye.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Are you saying that back in Egypt in 3000 B.C.E., when the priesthood was at its peak, they were using sodomy for their initiations?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as I know, sodomy is always used in the occult going clear back before the Flood. Sodomy is Satan\u2019s sex or Satan\u2019s new birth of the child. I don\u2019t believe anybody can become fully illuminated unless they have been sodomized at around three years of age. If they wait to touch that person until they\u2019re ten, twelve, fifteen years old, they will never be fully illuminated because you can\u2019t open the third eye after about five or six years of age.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The third eye meaning the pineal gland between the eyes?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes. I have traced migraine headaches from anal sex. It comes up the spine, over the back of the head right into the forehead.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All migraines, or —<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I\u2019m not saying all migraine headaches are from sodomy because I had one once that was put on me by a retired chiropractor\u00a0 and he did not sodomize me. But I think he was a sodomite. Basically, Satan cannot sodomize someone on his own, but he can influence somebody to sodomize someone else and then it\u2019s like having Satan sodomize them and put the sodomy power within them. Sodomy is spiritual. I get intense about this because it is so clear, and the Bible is the best source for discovering this.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Regarding Illuminati and Rothschild —<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let\u2019s leave Rothschild out of this. Not everybody is Rothschild unless you are using Rothschild as a loose term like Illuminati. With Illuminati referring to the wider spectrum, there is a Rothschild element and a Masonic element, but probably as sinister as any is the Jesuit element. I cannot prove this, I wish I could, but I believe that to become a full-fledged Jesuit you would have had to have been sodomized by the time you were three years of age. I believe they\u2019re all sodomites.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The entire Society of Jesus?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t think you can become powerful in the Society of Jesus without being involved in sodomy at some point in time.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Marion, when you say the third eye, I think of the ability to see visions, to see things we normally can\u2019t. Is that what you\u2019re talking about?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 To make a mystic with those capabilities requires sodomy because sodomy changes the way the mind works; it opens the mind up to the spirit world.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So it\u2019s the same effect on male or female children?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Absolutely, and you never know what the effect is going to be. One might be one way and one another, but to be able to become a mystic, whether it\u2019s a Catholic mystic or any other kind of mystic, that is the route to go. I call that the Legion mindset.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let\u2019s go back to the Elohim and Legion. What are the differences?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Legion mindset has the Strong Man spirit in it. It\u2019s like the House of the Strong Man: its foundation can develop into a mystic, or into multiple personalities. The Legion mindset would be what Alice in Wonderland is all about. The Elohim spirit is just one small item.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But they\u2019re inserted through sodomy, as well?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes. I think the spirit called Elohim in people who have gone through Masonic ceremonies enters with sodomy.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But the word Elohim in the Old Testament is actually a good word —<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not always, because the word means \u201cspirit.\u201d I think if you check the original, when Samuel came up, the witch of Endor said she saw the Elohim coming up. So she saw the spirit coming up, not God Almighty. In the occult world, they have many Elohim. Why do you think that Wicca\u2019s magic circle has the name Elohim and Adonai? Do you think that\u2019s God Almighty? I don\u2019t think so.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So they may have spirits that are stand-ins for other —<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Basically, the sodomy spirits would call themselves the I AM spirits. When you have someone who has a sodomy spirit, that sodomy spirit claims to be God. So then it\u2019s just the next step to use the names that we associate with God. Mormonism says that Elohim had sex with Mary to birth Jesus. Do you think that was Almighty God? I don\u2019t think so. Joseph Smith was a peepstone gazer; he had the third eye open. He was a molester, had been a Mason and copied Masonic ceremonies for the Temple ceremonies.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 From what you have learned from the people you have deprogrammed — you don\u2019t like that word, do you?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You can use the word deprogramming, but it is used in circles that are not Christian, and basically a lot of what they call deprogramming is reprogramming. I like to think of it as changing a mindset. But go ahead and ask your question.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m trying to establish a relationship between the Illuminati and Freemasons.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay. In the true sense of the word, Illuminati is a class of people that have illumination in common. In the political sense, you might have people who have joined an organization called the Illuminati — like being a Democrat or a Republican. But in the true sense of the word, the Illuminati refers to enlightened or illuminated ones.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And they can be from any brotherhood or organization?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And they have gone through some sort of initiation for that?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In a spiritual sense, they have been illuminated or initiated into the illumination of Lucifer. The initiation into the light of Lucifer is achieved by sodomy of the three year old. However, if that person does not follow through, he can become a dud — he doesn\u2019t go anywhere, so he hasn\u2019t really risen to any rank within the movement of the body of the Illuminati. They have certain degrees associated with being a high-level Illuminati — you wouldn\u2019t get there simply by being initiated as a three year old. The initiation of the three year old is the beginning requirement of someday rising up into the ranks of a group that is considered to be the Illuminati. A lot of people think of the Illuminati as being a political group of people, but in another sense it\u2019s a brotherhood of sodomites that\u2019s like family.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When you say \u2018like family,\u2019 are some blood related and most not?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m saying sodomites feel a family bond, whether related or not.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sodomites — Illuminati or otherwise. Is sodomy ritually continued after three years old?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me try to explain it this way. Who is the Bride of Christ or who is the Church? Everybody who is truly born again is in the kingdom or family of God, right?<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh-huh.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That is THE Church, right? But then you\u2019ve got Methodists, Baptists, Nazarenes and all these different groups. The Illuminati is Lucifer\u2019s church, the mystical body of Satan.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is sodomy like communion for them?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, sodomy is like being born again.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do they do it over and over?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, but especially in intense programming, like Monarch or mind control programming, sodomy is used over and over and over. Those who have programmers or keepers, they\u2019re using sodomy all the time to keep the person in line.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is sodomy a threat or is it pleasurable to the sodomized?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Those who have been programmed have a locked-in three-year-old mindset which is the core of the programming. Say they\u2019re eighteen or twenty years old and somebody comes up and knows the signal or says the code word to call out the three-year-old core. The person then goes into the three-year-old state to be sodomized, then the sodomites program into their minds what they want to program in, and when that person wakes up they probably don\u2019t even remember that anything happened. Basically, a person reverts back to the three year old to be a total victim to the sodomy.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There are many ramifications of this. If you read the book by Cathy O\u2019Brien, she says that a high-level politician gave her messages to take to the King of Saudi Arabia. The politician would access her sex alter, repeat the message, bring her out of that sex alter, ship her overseas, and when she got there the King would access her sex alter and get the message word for word from the high-level politician and return an answer. That basically is a picture — she didn\u2019t say it was sodomy but that\u2019s what they do. Sodomy puts them into a trance where you can program in directly to the subconscious memory file without any interference of the conscious mind. Sodomy is what puts the person into that state where you can do it. They might even get them so highly programmed that they can just say the word or repeat the code.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you use sodomy for programming after childhood?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You can program a 50-year-old person with sodomy.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But would you have had to have done it at least once when they were small?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 To get a mind control slave, yes. You can\u2019t take a 20-year-old person and make a mind control slave out of them by waiting until they\u2019re 20 years old to do it. To program them like TV and movies do — you could not make a Monarch programmed person if you hadn\u2019t started with them as a child.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have victims actually used the word Monarch to describe their programming?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 One of the people I worked with came up with the idea that the wings of the monarch butterfly are actually the pelvic skeletal shape. Then if you add sodomy, you add the abdomen of the butterfly. The other thing about Monarch would be that these people are told they are royalty or \u201cchosen ones,\u201d given that a lot of bloodline families in power in the United States claim to be descendants of European royalty or descendants of monarchs. You could look at it that way. I say that Monarch programming is basically sodomy programming.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Some people are being kept in bondage by sodomizing themselves — [Here the telephone turns into static that takes several minutes to rectify.]\u00a0 — sodomy is used\u00a0 to re-boot the computer and reactivate the programming.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you think this is at all behind the big push to accept homosexuality as normal?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Of course. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nE:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you think all homosexuals are sodomized early?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t think that very many homosexuals become homosexual without being sexually abused early. They may not all have been sodomized, but a large portion were.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as religions go, Catholics and Masons are at the top of the list. It\u2019s possible that the Catholic hierarchy may even have an unofficial doctrine to sodomize three year olds so as to bind them to the Church. They say, \u201cGive us a child until he\u2019s five and he\u2019ll always be Catholic,\u201d but they don\u2019t start any religious training with the children until they\u2019re five. I recently freed a guy who was sodomized by a priest when he was probably three and then at thirteen was put in Boys Town in Nebraska, and the priest there would take him into a room, lock the doors, and make him do whatever he wanted him to do. A first-hand witness of the corruption at Boys Town.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about Skull and Bones, Scroll and Key — fraternities of elite sons — do you suppose they\u2019re using sodomy as well to make deep bonds for the sake of money and power in the families?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can\u2019t imagine they haven\u2019t. What is Skull and Bones anyway but the order of death? Why are they doing things connected with the dead? Sodomy is the biggest occult power source there is, so how did they get their power without it? I was not there, I was never invited to go there, I could not have gone there because I was never a victim of sodomy as a child. Now, the Masons do recruit people who are innocent bystanders just for the image and the dues. But the real driving force of the Masons are the sodomites, just check the de Molay thing.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Tell me a little more about the deep bond that forms among men because of sodomy.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me tell you a little story. I have been trying to help a woman for the last five years to get free of the bondage and victimization that began when she was a child. She was married to a guy who\u2019s wealthy and works for Nike, and is also a cross-dresser. I even met with the cross-dresser and uncovered that his grandpa was a Mason who treated him like a little girl and sodomized him. This was from his mind, not mine — but he didn\u2019t want to believe it and get right. They have four children, and she\u2019s been sitting there with the damage to the children.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She\u2019d been trying to get something to pin on him, like his pornography on the internet, but he always lied his way out of everything. I called her out of the blue the other day and she had filed for divorce but still didn\u2019t have anything on him. So I said, \u201cDo you suppose you might have a spirit of his, like the Strong Man?\u201d So I checked it out and the answer that came from her mind was that the spirit of her husband had entered her on her wedding night by sodomy. All she can remember is that the wedding night was a bad night. I cast it out. She had a bright red rash on her when we were talking about this, but when I cast out the Strong Man spirit with her husband\u2019s name, put in with sodomy, within minutes the rash was completely gone.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Within the week, she happened to be at her husband\u2019s new house where the daughter was, and the daughter said, \u201cLet me show you something.\u201d They went into a big walk-in closet where there was a suitcase with another locked suitcase in it. The daughter got the key, opened up the little suitcase, and there were women\u2019s paraphernalia, lingerie, even the tool to sodomize himself. She could not find any evidence on that guy until I got rid of that spirit of sodomy from him. Her eyes and the daughter\u2019s eyes were opened.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sodomy has a spiritual component in it that is far more sinister than anybody recognizes. It is the most underrated evil power to the general public. But to the people who are in the know, they know that this is the ultimate rebellion against God Himself. This is what they hope to use to gain the whole human race for their side and defeat God Himself.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m convinced you\u2019re right that for both mind control and male bonds of power, sodomy is somehow key. What about another brotherhood, the Special Forces — Navy SEALS, Green Berets — elite cadres?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 From what I can gather, I believe they are chosen because the men start out as victims as three year olds. I worked to help get a guy free whose mother ran a topless bar down in California and he had a tremendous internal rage. He didn\u2019t do very well in school and he had his problems with drugs, but a guy came along and got him a full ride of four years at West Point. He should never have gotten in there. He went in on a football scholarship, but when they got him in there they switched him to a boxing scholarship because when he got into boxing, the rage could be turned on. He heard that some of the initiations coming up in the second West Point year included sodomy. I don\u2019t know that they subjected him to sodomy, but he quit before he went more than one year.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just like in war, where traumatic things happen that soldiers can\u2019t remember, this is what sodomy does to the child. The denial system that kicks in produces at least in some people the ability to compartmentalize. When you compartmentalize, you can be in a certain compartment of your mind without detracting from other compartments of your mind. If you\u2019re in the pure rage compartment, you don\u2019t have any kindness or love diluting it.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So in the profiling that the military might use in order to find a man who fits the untapped rage pattern —<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I could make a profile! I could take a few victims that are healed and sit them down beside me and we could bring the people through an interview and we could profile them.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why do I think this programming through sodomy acts so much more powerfully on males than on females?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t, but males and females are different. Females are best for becoming programmed computers or human recorders. Most women are more capable of creating multiple personality systems because of the way their minds work. But the fact is that men are more aggressive, so the percentage of women who are sodomized and become perpetrators is far lower than the percentage of men who become perpetrators. They\u2019re all victims to start with, but women just go on being victims, they don\u2019t tend to turn into perpetrators themselves. I\u2019ve worked with men who did not become perpetrators and remained victims, just like the women; and I\u2019ve seen evidence of women who became perpetrators. Witches are perpetrators and just like men, they\u2019re molesters. I\u2019ve worked with people who had women sodomizing them with objects, molesting children. But the percentage is lower with women than it is men. A higher percentage of men will transition from victim to perpetrator. And I\u2019m convinced that there are some men who compartmentalize in such a way that they do not on the average remember acts of molesting; they will only remember if they get into that compartment. Otherwise, they have amnesiac barriers between the different compartments of their minds. Women are that way, too. A perpetrator with an amnesiac barrier is a sad, sad case because they can switch into that compartment and go out and molest, then switch out and not remember. This is the kind of person they use in Special Forces for their assassination teams because they can activate the hidden compartment that has been programmed for assassination and send them out on a mission. A man who claimed to have been in the South African Special Forces told me of two cases where he was sent to assassinate, one in a national park in South Africa, and another in London.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So sodomy doesn\u2019t need to be used; the trigger word can just be used to activate that compartment.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know. I think that they could use sodomy and make them forget the whole thing. People have been sodomized and they couldn\u2019t remember for three or six months after it had happened. We didn\u2019t know what was wrong with them, and then later found out somebody took them out and sodomized them.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sodomy is a spiritual thing. Let\u2019s say Ben sodomizes either a man or woman. When he does that, that person has a spirit by the name of Ben that changes the way that person relates to things. This can even be as an adult. You can\u2019t put the Legion mindset in when they\u2019re 40 years old, but you can put Ben in when they\u2019re 40 years old and it will change the way that person thinks. I\u2019ve had different women who separated from abusive husbands and for some reason couldn\u2019t break loose of the soul tie to their husband, but when we cast out the sodomy spirit by their husband\u2019s name, their feelings about their ex-husbands changed. The most classic example is the lady who had slept with her husband before they were married, committed adultery at 40 years of age, and when I commanded the Strong Man to give its name it was her husband\u2019s name that entered at 40 when he sodomized her. That spirit of sodomy was more damaging to her than the spirit of adultery or fornication.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What is the relationship between sodomy and the House of the Strong Man?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If a person is sodomized, the Strong Man spirit that Jesus spoke of will be the spirit of the sodomy. It\u2019s actually an unclean spirit and a familiar spirit with the name of the person who did the sodomy. So when you sodomize a three year old, you build the doll house with the three year old trapped inside, and every time that person is sodomized from that point on a Strong Man enters. So let\u2019s just say Joseph sodomized the child — now Joseph and the three-year-old child are in the house locked in the core of the mind. Along comes Jack and sodomizes the girl later\u00a0 — now, there\u2019s Joseph, the child, and Jack. Then comes Ben later, then comes Sterling, then comes Red, then comes this guy and that guy — you\u2019ve got a whole legion of sodomites and every one of them has a name, which means that you\u2019ve got many spirits of the sodomites in the House of Joseph the Strong Man, the original sodomizer.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You\u2019re being literal when you say spirit — that the dissociation that creates multiples is the entry of one spirit after another.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, some people would like to say that multiple personalities are not spirits. I would like to say that the whole multiple mindset is a demonic mindset, basically a Legion-style mindset of many, the same as the man in Mark 5 said: \u201cMy name is Legion, for we are many,\u201d and Jesus released them all at once. For the benefit of anybody who was looking on, two thousand pigs went crazy and drowned while the man was again clothed and in his right mind. So basically all of his legion of spirits, multiple personalities, or anything you want to call them, all were gone and his mind was right. The whole multiple mindset is a wrong mindset. It\u2019s a fantasy world mindset.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But it\u2019s not necessarily possession by demonic spirits?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If you got rid of every demon that multiple personality people have, they would no longer be multiple.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So therapists who allow certain helpers or child alters to remain, they\u2019re not doing a service to the person?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The person can\u2019t get free as long as they have any of that left because their mind is not working like God intended it to work.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So with each sodomy the House of the Strong Man gets stronger and stronger?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With a believer who can accept that Jesus Christ can deliver them all at once, you have been able to free people from the House of the Strong Man?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ve had it happen on quite a number of occasions, not every time. There\u2019s some times that I never did get them to leave.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With non-believers or believers as well?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, people who said they were believers. But it\u2019s possible to have a compartment of your mind that\u2019s a believer and another compartment that is a sodomite. So what are you? A lot of people do not believe me when I say that you can cast out the Strong Man, the child, and all of the multiple system at once. But I\u2019ve done it, by the grace of God — Jesus did it, and others have done it. So why would I spend my time with some lesser kind of benefit if I already know that the ultimate goal is to achieve what I just described?<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had a man once who was crazy. He had worked for twelve years to try to get free but was ready to kill his wife. He couldn\u2019t work, his marriage was on the rocks, he was at the point of being committed. Somebody told him about me and I finally found a spot for him to come. I didn\u2019t know anything about him. I met with him one day, uncovered that Joseph was the Strong Man, that he was Rothschild bloodline and they had used him as a male prostitute, sodomized him as a boy in rituals to get the power of the bloodline. I cast the whole thing out in one day. He didn\u2019t talk to me again for two years. He got well, he\u2019s still well. Two years later he and his wife came and told me the good things that had happened. He went to his 6,000-member church to give his testimony of getting well and they wouldn\u2019t even let him use my name because they had believed negative propaganda about me. He could give his testimony but all he could say was he met with a man — couldn\u2019t use my name. I asked him, \u201cWhat\u2019d I do different from the rest?\u201d He said, \u201cThey went after the stronghold, you went after the Strong Man.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/b><\/span>When you find out that the name of the Strong Man is Joseph, are you thinking it\u2019s Mengele?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No. Joseph Mengele was THE biggest Joseph in the last half of the 20th century, but the name Joseph came out of the Jesuits and has been around since the 1500\u2019s. It started with devotion to the husband of Mary, whom they call St. Joseph, and it became a symbol of the father of this system, the sodomizing father that cares for his children. When a man sodomizes a child at three, the child bonds to that man as if he were their father, and when he\u2019s a man of the cloth, of the Church, the child bonds to the Church, too. This sodomy thing has been around for hundreds of years. Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits, was a Catholic mystic; he had to have been a sodomized one. He was the guy who headed up the Inquisition to persecute those who didn\u2019t adhere to the tenets of the Catholic faith. Terribly cruel! How could you be that cruel if you didn\u2019t have the sodomy rage? The torture they put people through! Later, Joseph Mengele developed the programming and brought it up to another level. He was a Catholic alter boy. I think he was also a Rothschild and a Jesuit. The founder of the Illuminati was Adam Weishaupt, trained as a Jesuit.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sodomy stands behind multiplicity —<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I haven\u2019t found anybody who was just sexually fondled and became multiple, and I\u2019ve never found anybody who went through occult rituals without sodomy. So I can\u2019t tell you whether being put through a sacrifice ritual without sodomy makes a multiple. People are trying to say that would be the case — that the ritual murders and sacrifices are traumatic enough to produce MPD — but I\u2019ve never found a case out there that only had sacrifice. They\u2019ve always had the sodomy. They don\u2019t always remember it, but when push comes to shove, they\u2019ve got the symptoms. The occult groups know — and they think all Christians are stupid and can\u2019t catch on — they know that sodomy is required to achieve what they want to achieve.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If you check this thing out, you\u2019ll find that all the idolatry going clear back to the days of the children of Israel in Egypt have sodomy in it. Jesus said:<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days\u00a0of Lot: they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. (Luke 17:26-30, KJV)<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0Nothing wrong with marrying, buying and selling; every civilization does it. What\u2019s the common denominator of these three times? We have more sodomy now out in the open than we\u2019ve ever had. Lot was in Sodom — that\u2019s where the word sodomy comes from. It meant anal sex, or as they\u2019re calling it now anal intercourse. What other kind of sex do you think they could produce on those angels that they tried to break the door down to get to? They wanted to get their supernatural power. The belief in the occult world is if you could sodomize God, you\u2019d get God\u2019s power. You become as gods through sodomy; that\u2019s the way the Greek gods became gods. Alexander the Great was a great sodomizer and his Greek army was the most fierce. Hitler tried to pattern his SS and military after the Greek warriors using sodomy. When you put that all together, the civilizations that God wiped out boiled down to the practice of sodomy.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 By the way, I\u2019ve found that a lot of people\u2019s hemorrhoid problems came from their sodomy.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So sodomy is a lot more common than people give it credit for.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now they\u2019re putting sodomy pornography on the internet. I met a lady who had a web cam set up in her home for the internet and would sodomize herself in the nude for the guys out there to watch. She had been a church secretary.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is sodomy the connecting link between satanism, Freemasonry, and other groups, including Jesuits?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You remember Aleister Crowley. He was a 33rd degree Mason. I talked to Bill Schnoebelen one time and asked him, \u201cWhere did the Masons get the sodomy?\u201d and he said, \u201cIt came by Aleister Crowley from black magic Hinduism.\u201d Well, that isn\u2019t the only place it came from.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have you run across more satanic stuff now? It seems rife, or has it always been around about the same amount?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>As far as American society is concerned, it\u2019s increasing. As far as Masonry and a certain element they call Black Masonry, it\u2019s been around all the time. I don\u2019t use the term Satanism quite as much because the Masons would be more Luciferian rather than Satanist.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0E:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What is the difference between Satan and Lucifer?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0M:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Same person, but Jesus said Satan comes either as an angel of light or as a roaring lion. Satanism is the roaring lion principle, Luciferianism is the angel of light principle. Basically, in Masonry the white and black checkered floor is the light and dark balancing factor.<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the Bible, sodomy is translated as \u201cuncleanness.\u201d In Job 36:13-14, it says that\u00a0 hypocrites in heart die young and live among the unclean. If you take what\u2019s in the margin of the King James or New King James and re-read the verse, it would read like this: The hypocrites in heart, their souls die and they live amongst the sodomites. Sodomy kills the soul, destroys the soul. Romans 1 describes the route to having a reprobate mind. It\u2019s a progression:<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves…<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n